Traffic Safety Meeting Minutes………5/9/01

 

Attended:   Dave Paul and Rachel Tyndall: King County Traffic Engineers Cheryl Sherburne, Kevin

                 Morgan, Susie Carney, Robert Hansen, Kendra Mills, Andy Hills (from South Cove), and

     Mary Victory (President of Meerwood Homeowners Association).

 

Results of Traffic Studies: 

Maps provided, extras are available at the home of Susie Carney. 

In general…192nd in front of Meerwood park has the most volume  of average daily traffic (ADT)

at 1,748.  The average speed was 27.75 mph (Avg). 

191st  ave SE: ADT: 159 Avg:16.65. 

SE 44th Way: ADT: 657 Avg:   

189th  Pl  SE:  ADT: 883, Avg: 22.85.  

193rd Pl SE:  ADT: 599 Avg: 23.05.

 

Concerns:   King County does not condone children playing in public roadways.

                  

                  Children at play signs are not ok. 

                 

                  25 mph speed limit holds in cul-de-sacs, following laws of “Due Care and Caution”. 

                 

                  Cones can be distracting, actually causing  accidents.  They can also be used to argue for

                  the defense, if an accident does occur. 

 

                  Children below the age of 9 view traffic differently, they are unable to judge closing speeds;

                  they don’t relate a nearby moving vehicle to dangers; and they may not relate to traffic noise

                  (e.g. an approaching vehicle heard, but not seen) to imminent danger.  Running in

                   residential streets can contribute toward an accident, as less reaction time is

                   available.

 

                  Yellow line on 192nd may be facilitating speeding as people view it as a thoroughfare.  Why

                  does this street look different from the rest of the neighborhood? 

                 

                  Historically, the line used to be a skipped yellow line that was probably suggested by a

                  homeowner to facilitate cars to stay in their own lane.  Then 8 years ago new Federal law

                  mandated that skipped yellow lines become double yellow lines even in residential areas. 

                  The double lines can be removed and replaced with 4x4 yellow reflective pavement

                  Markers.  Board will plan to discuss this issue this Wednesday.  The consensus of

                  homeowners at this meeting was that this was a good idea.

 

                  Other options discussed for 192nd:

 

                        “Rumble strip”:  tool for edging roads as used on highway, too noisy.

 

                        Speed humps:  Specific criteria has to be met to justify, as speed humps slow

                                                rescue vehicles by 3-10 seconds.  In 2000 only one set was installed.

 

“Turtles”:  4” high, 8” round.  Bicycling community lobbied successfully 8 years ago to

   stop installing these.   They can diminish corner cutting but again are too noisy

   for a neighborhood.

 

                         Traffic circles:  Seattle has biggest program of any city, possibly in the world, installing

40-60 a year.  However they have high volumes of  traffic, a history of

accidents/fatalities they had to address. Unincorporated King County has

not had this history.     

                  

Additional stop signs:  Can’t use for speed control, have to be used for intersections only

                                                            and then in compliance with the Federal “Manual on Uniform

                                                          Traffic Control Device.”

 

                        “Edge Lines”:   May encourage speeding because taking on “trappings” of a main arterial

           because travel lane becomes very visible. 

 

Officer patrol:    Motorcycle patrolman Officer Bartlett, has been patrolling.  He is

mandated by the courts to ticket people at least 10mph over the posted

speed limit.  He has very little ticket volume in this area, except on

192nd Ave SE.

                 

Tools for  Safety:

 

Single most important factor is sightlines.  Shrubs should be below height of  2’, and trees limbed up so that they are 5’ high from the road.    At intersections this pruning should occur 15-20’ “deep” into homeowners property.  Traffic engineers have authority at intersections on private property to prune.

Parking cars on the street.  Forces drivers to slow because of congestion.  It is illegal  to park on the sidewalk.

 

Education/Installation of a blue sign that states:  Please drive carefully for our children’s sake.  In order for a neighborhood to qualify for this sign, specific criteria has to be met:

 

Use the Radar/Readerboard-which we have done.

 

Distribute flyers to every  home in the neighborhood.

 

Use traffic enforcement in the general neighborhood within recent weeks.-has been done, but Dave Paul will ask for more.

 

Each household driver must sign a written pledge not to speed on their neighborhood streets, or

streets within the development.

 

If you see reckless driving call 911, explain, be prepared with directions of travel,  and

description of cars/activity.    

 

For further questions contact Dave Paul: Senior Traffic Engineer at 206-263-6125.

 

Minutes submitted by Susie Carney @ 425-3733-3359